Insert Title Here [ Agtheism ]

November 5, 2011 § 5 Comments

Hey guys/girls/hermaphrodites.  I don’t really have a topic today (hence the title, though I may actually insert one once I finish this), so I’m just gonna talk about my day and see where I end up.  Should be good times.

Alright.  Day started with Ancient Philosophy.  Knee-slappin’ topic eh?  We talked about Socrates and some of his beliefs, including his thesis that human beings can do nothing bad (harm) willingly.  At first this seems counter-intuitive; everyone has willingly done something they believed is wrong before, right?  We’ve all hit that bong one extra time, or had one too many drinks, or punched that asshole in the face (yes, I know he deserved it, but it’s still harming someone).  Socrates would argue something along the lines of “if you committed the action, you obviously didn’t think it was legitimately wrong, for your rationality would prevent you from doing the action if you TRULY believed it was wrong”.  Fun stuff eh?  I’ll end the Socrates talk here.

Anyway, this class was tough for me this morning for a variety of reasons, which can be boiled down to one cause: I am quitting smoking.  By smoking I mean weed and cigarettes.  This is causing me to be kind of fidgety.  It is also causing me to lose lots of sleep and be unable to eat properly, especially in the morning.  Seeing as this class was at 10am (I know I know, not THAT early, but when you can’t fall asleep till 3am and wake up every hour until 7am, at which point its impossible to fall back asleep, it sucks) I was kind of out of it.  So much so that I was actually having dizzy spells.  Good times.  I forced some food into me, finished the class, and moved on to write an essay outline, which was due Wednesday of this week.  Whoops.  I do kind of have an excuse though; quitting this shit isn’t exactly easy, and I’m not really all the motivated to do stuff at the moment.  I don’t think I’ve half-assed an assignment as bad as I did this one, at least this year.  Oh well, it’s only an outline; I’ll get feedback and then make the essay better.

After that I came home for some food and watched a bit of Enemy at the Gates with my roommate.  Good movie that one, but I had to cut it short to hit the gym.  Fuck does the gym suck when you haven’t been going consistently for months.  It’s just pain.  Pain which ends up feeling good later on (you know, like when you look in the mirror), but pain nonetheless.  After that I went to see a guest speaker at the lecture hall: Christopher DiCarlo.  He is a philosopher who recently published a book call “How to Become a Really Good Pain in the Ass”.  This was put on by the Atheist society at Trent (oh shit, I said the A word).  Before we go any further, I should probably tell you that I am, to quote Christopher, an “agtheist”.  This means that I don’t believe that any religion in the world has gotten it right, but I leave room for there to be a creator (like an agnostic), for clearly we haven’t been able to determine BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT how the universe came into existence.

Anyway, he talked about how the world is getting more and more fucked up (I’m paraphrasing a tad) because we are no longer having rational discussions about our beliefs.  It is considered taboo to discuss things like religion, politics, etc. with friends and family.  This is out of fear of offending someone, and trust me when I say that, as an “agtheist”, I offend a lot of people when I talk about my beliefs.  So I often bite my tongue when I’m in a situation where there are people with strong religious beliefs surrounding me.  I kind of feel like my beliefs are constantly under attack by literally EVERYONE who does not share them.  Whether you’re Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or whatever else, you can all agree on one thing: we atheists are fucked.  If only we could see “the truth” they say, we would understand.  Listen, I see the truth all around me.  It’s called the physical world.  And in the physical world there are some rules which govern how things work, known as laws of physics.  How these laws came into being?  I don’t know.  But I see no evidence supporting there being a God who created these.  I also see a LOT of evidence which points to the fact that the world is NOT 6000 years old, that humans evolved from a species of ape, and that being gay is not a choice.  So I take this evidence and use it to my advantage.  That is not to say that I ABSOLUTELY, 100% believe that this is the way things are.  Can you really ever be 100% about anything?  There’s always got to be a little room for doubt.  Thus I love to have conversations with religious people.  I am NOT out to prove you wrong; I’m just trying to make you think a little more about what it is you believe.  For if you don’t question your beliefs, how can you be sure that they are correct?  I am just looking for the answers, like religious individuals, but unlike them, I don’t place my faith all in one place.  I guess the only real faith I have is in myself and my ability to think rationally (most of the time) about the happenings around me.

Wow, my argumentation is terrible this evening.  I’m really glad this is just me rambling and not an essay, as this would be a FAIL.  Whatever, let me know what you think of all this crap.  I could always use more information and more perspective.

§ 5 Responses to Insert Title Here [ Agtheism ]

  • John says:

    Well Mr Johnson I would like to talk bout Socrates to start. How on Earth can there be no such thing as a willingly harmful action that we feel is not wrong?! The action of punching somebody in the face or having that extra drink as you said is itself a harmful action that we do indeed feel is wrong. Whether or not we realize right away or later on that our actions were wrong we still feel a sense of regret and the fact that we did the action doesn’t mean we don’t feel it isn’t wrong, it simply means that we are prepared to pay the consequences for our action. As for beliefs and religion, I am a Catholic and I don’t necessarily agree with all other religions or beliefs but in such a diverse world people come together with different ideas of how they came to be so of course there will be disagreements. No set of beliefs are right or wrong. This is one of the most valuable things I have learned in college thus far; if someone has an idea or a belief that is not the same as yours or simply doesn’t make sense to you do not regard it as wrong or inferior. Look at it as different. In a world like today filled with so much bullshit and corruption people need faith and have that extra something to believe in. Would I be wrong to BELIEVE that the Miami Dolphins or the Toronto Maple Leafs will both win championships next year? Not wrong, just different.

  • ajohnson87 says:

    Yea I don’t really agree with Socrates either. I also probably didn’t explain it quite as well as I could have. Oh well, read up on it if you’re interested :) And I agree with you about beliefs. Like I said, you always have to leave room for doubt. Maybe Muslims are right, maybe Christians are right, maybe Atheists are right. My experience is that Atheists APPEAR to be the most correct, but that’s just my take. At least we are talking about our different beliefs though, unlike a lot of the world.

  • I go through every withdrawal you mentioned everytime i stop it passes after a couple of weeks and you start to feel so good and you can smell again. Hang in there.

    P.S. We miss you (hug)

  • Sara says:

    If socrates said that then he believed that basically we are not to be held morally responsible for anything we do. …?

    I also like discussing relion and philosophy with people, but sometimes it’s hard because what you really want to get out of relious types they seem to avoid talking about. In my experience anyways.

    Sara

  • ajohnson87 says:

    No he still believes we are responsible for our actions, and others can judge them as wrong, but if one performs an action, he didn’t believe that at the time it was a wrong action.

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